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CMS took some early B-Type Leyland Nationals. Here is 204 about to run to Keswick on a snowy afternoon.
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| 204 was a regular performer on the 71 based at Wigton & Keswick depots on alternative nights. These Nationals were known as "Country Cousins."
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When Ribble took delivery of some new Leyland Nationals, a few older Leopards were transferred to Cumberland MS.
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| Good nostalgic photo, this short Leopard had very heavy steering, based at Wigton depot. GW. Wigton |
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In 1979, Ribble introduced full-height VRTs and Atlanteans to Carlisle town services. Here's VRT 1448. I had thought this bus was transferred to Hampshire Bus, but Justin Moor has kindly pointed out that this bus went south to run in Lancaster instead.
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2008-02-14 19:46:36 |
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| This VR, whats left of it is now in a scrapyard in Middlesbrough North East. I hate when buses are in scrapyards like that, i wish they would just finish the job off. Look on Carl Gorses bus Photography, get a link from my site stagecoach-north-east-archive.fotopic.net. |
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DMS 1924 gained Ayres Red CMS livery in the short time it operated in Carlisle
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| The strange thing about OJD197R and its sister bus OJD170R is that they were both given the CMS livery after Stagecoach Holdings had acquired the operation. It was Stagecoach who had arranged the transfer of these buses from Hampshire Bus, perhaps Stagecoach had originally intended to go with local colour schemes before using the corporate stripes livery? |
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To publicise the new Lanes shopping centre, Ribble had this Atlantean/ECW covered in this garish scheme
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| This bus, TRN469V, found its way to Lincolnshire Road Car like many of Carlisle's Atlanteans. LRCC converted 1469 to an open topper for seafront services in Skegness along with 1467, 1479 and 1485. I was fortunate to ride on 1467 and 1469 in the summer of 2004, when they were performing open top tours in Bath, they were sporting a yellow Heritage Bus Tours livery. |
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2008-03-05 21:11:37 |
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| You'll find a photo of 1469 operating for Lincolnshire RCC on a schools service in my Lincolnshire Buses gallery. |
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Showing off the CMS Carlislebus Ayres Red livery is VRTSL 1451
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| When CMS acquired the Carlisle Atlantean's and VRT's it painted 11 of them in the Ayres Red livery, 9 of them had previously sported allover adverts. 1451 & 1459 were the 2 exceptions which had only previously worn the NBC poppy red livery. |
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Two fugitives from Hampshire Bus, DMS 1924 and Leyland National 358, now working for Cumberland
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| When the transfer of buses between Cumberland and Hampshire Bus took place (September 1987), they were both already owned by Stagecoach, which makes it strange that they then painted this ex-Hampshire DMS into the colours of Cumberland and not Stagecoach stripes. |
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A Marshall-bodied short Leyland Leopard, 663, picks up a passenger on a wintry afternoon outside Cowan & Sheldon. The buildings on the left have now been replaced by a retail park & Burger King.
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| Nostalgic photo. I served apprenticeship at Cowans Sheldons, cranemakers to the world, 1957-62 then ended up driving 633 as a CMS bus at Wigton depot in 1980s. GW. Wigton. |
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Stagecoach Cumberland National 367 picks up in Carlisle town centre.
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| Hello,
I am compiling a fleet series on behalf of the Leyland National Group; www.leylandnationallgroup.org on Cumberland Leyland Nationals which documents the histories of the vehicles. Unfortunately I do not have many photos to help illustrate the document and I was wondering if you would mind me using a couple of your photos to assist with this?
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Ribble had a number of Atlanteans & VRTs painted in overall adverts. One of the recipients is seen hiding in the depot prior to application. Not quite a "White Lady".
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| I believe this is either 1474 prior to its application of the Sony at County Store allover ad or 1482 before it received a Toshiba at County Store allover ad |
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A class 47/4 on steel coils to run south over Shap meant that electric locos had been in short supply at Mossend. 47555 "The Commonwealth Spirit".
Various Locos in Carlisle 1980s to 1990s |
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2008-12-22 13:10:52 |
Left by JOE COLLINS (#1219369) |
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| HI MY NAME IS JOE COLLINS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW HOW IMPRESSED AT LOOKING AT YOUR PHOTOS AND THIS ONE OF 47555 IS THE BEST I HAVE EVER SEEN KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK FROM JOE COLLINS |
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WJG473J was in the East Kent fleet, but seemed to be pretending to be an unmarked Green Line coach at Westbrook Depot.
Buses in Canterbury & Kent 1983 to 1986 |
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2008-12-14 17:17:35 |
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| Nice photo,the green/white livery although looking like Green Line was in fact representive of the local "Chatham House" grammer school who owned this car,but had a "Parking Arrangement" with East Kent at their Westwood Depot, though seldom did they use it!!! |
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Before the arrival of the DMS & RMs, Atlanteans & VRTs were the staple diet on town services.
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| Did you make a note of the identities of these 3 buses? Ive worked out that the Atlantean on the 669 has to be TRN485V, by virtue of the BEC ad and the lack of "Exact Fare Bus" sign at the front. 1485 was the only one that had a poppy red re-spray after these signs were issued. It had previously displayed a black allover ad for Sanyo & Fisher at County Store. 1485 was later painted yellow for an allover ad for "Live In Style" at the time the VRT's were transferred to Hampshire, because LHG457T had previously worn it. |
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2008-03-05 21:07:53 |
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| For the record, the VRT is 1453 and the Atlanteans are 1479 in ayres red and 1485 in poppy red. Just checked my original negative scan! Pleased to be reviving so many memories. |
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Cumberland Bristol MW 244 offers passengers wishing to travel to Great Orton the chance to sample a classic vehicle.
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| Wigton Depot MW on a circuitous mucky country route from Carlisle via Gt Orton to Wigton. GW Wigton |
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Can anyone tell me what chassis is beneath the Plaxton body on Rays WNC20L?
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| Hi WNC 20L was a Ford R192 with 45 Seat Plaxton Elite bodywork PN732481 and was one of 5 new to Fingland of Rusholme in January 1973 |
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Northern Scottish NPE107A leaves the bus station on service 807 to Birmingham, bt it would probably only go as far as Manchester. Note the lack of toilet facilities.
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| These Leopards occassionally worked Aberdeen - Manchester often crewed by CMS drivers This was one with a tall steering column a back breaker. I once brought one down from Aberdeen about 1984 possibly this one. Drivers usually changed over at Carlisle. .GW. Wigton |
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Volvo B10M 20736 was a casualty of "The Great Flood".
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| This bus was recovered from the floods, and is now in service with Veolia Transport (has been used in both Veolia and Dunn-Line liveries). |
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First Ribble, then Stagecoach got their money's worth out of GCW461S, the prototype B-series National
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| The yellow Atlantean behind is TRN485V in "Live In Style" allover ad |
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Preserved ex-Rawtenstall Titan 18 stars in the 1977 Carlisle Great Fair parade
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| I owned & restored this bus 1976-84. I was driving it in this photo, the ultimate classic bus. GW. Wigton |
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Carlisle's biggest box of chocolates, Ribble Atlantean 1468 in a coat of many colours
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| I recall 1468 having 5 separate liveries in its time in Carlisle. NBC poppy red then this Terry's Harlequin allover ad, then the blue Ferguson at County Store allover ad seen in your previous photo, then the CMS Ayres Red livery with a rear ad for Saab at Telford's Garage and finally Stagecoach stripes. |
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Beloved of SBG engineers, manual Leyland Leopards like EGB53T made challenging steeds for novice drivers
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| Great picture, fond memories of driving this 'PROPER" bus!
I passed my PSV test in her many years ago. Had to drive from Barrow to Carlisle every day, a pleasure to drive.
I dont suppose she's still with us?
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A Bexleybus Olympian, E918KYR passes a Kentish Bus Atlantean still in LCBS Leaf Green, in Woolwich
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| The 28 Northern Counties-bodied Olympians leased in late 1987 for the unsuccessful Bexleybus network were initially ordered by Greater Manchester Buses. 21 of them, including this one, passed to Busways in Newcastle and Sunderland after Bexleybus folded. The Atlantean, meanwhile, started life in February 1980 as London Country AN231, and survived with Kentish Bus right up until 1997. |
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Route 112 was won by Atlas Coaches which used brand new Leyland Lynxes and the odd Leyland National
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| This was one of eight Lynxes bought by Pan Atlas for the 112 in July 1988. All were sold when the company was acquired by the Pullman group in summer 1994, this one and three others subsequently going to Crosville. |
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Capital Citybus bought some of the few Dennis Arrow double deckers built
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| Capital Citybus took some 54 of the 73 Arrows built - the only other significant customers were London & Country with ten and Nottingham City Transport with four. This Northern Counties Palatine II-bodied example was new in January 1997. |
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Armchair operated route 65 from Ealing to Kingston with a fleet of brand new Olympians. It also had two ex-SYPTE Atlanteans and this ex-National Welsh Olympian
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| Just to be precise... Armchair took up the 65 in January 1991 with 17 all-Leyland Olympians, and added this 1982 ECW-bodied version in September 1995. It was easily distinguishable from the all-Leyland vehicles by virtue of its Gardner 6LXB engine. This photo was taken in Ealing Broadway sometime between 1995 and 1998, judging by the RW-class Wright Nimbus-bodied Renault S75 in the background. |
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Parked up at The Aldwych, this Bristol VRL was operating for Arun Travel
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| This unusual vehicle was new to Standerwick Coaches in 1971 (originally registered LRN 60J), and was acquired by Arun Travel in the late 80s. It operated with the company until May 1995, when it regained its original registration and passed into preservation. |
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| Currently under restoration to original Standerwick livery. Hope it will be ready for Heaton Park rally. If not, should appear at Showbus. |
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BTS bought this Scania N133CRB for use on its 114 route
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| This was the third of six Alexander RH-bodied N113DRBs bought by BTS in June 1989, and sold to Midland Fox in November 1993. Their main haunt was actually the 292 - the 114 normally being worked by Northern Counties-bodied Olympians. |
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Route 188 passed to the Londonlinks offshoot of London & Country, which meant Titans appeared in one of Ray Stenning's best looking liveries
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| T143 was one of fifteen ex-LT Titans acquired by London & Country for use on the 188 from November 1993. The London operations of L&C and Kentish Bus were combined into Londonlinks on 1 January 1995, and in April of that year - shortly after this photo was taken - T143 received a revised, and less elegant, livery incorporating more light green. It did not last much longer in the capital, passing to Clydeside in late 1996. |
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Atlas Bus bought double deckers as loadings onroute 112 grew. This is a NCME bodied Olympian
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| This Olympian was one of nine acquired by Atlas in October 1989, intended for the 107 but occasionally straying onto the 112 as here in Ealing Broadway. Atlas added an all-Leyland version (former demonstrator G21 HHG) in 1990, and all ten were sold to United Automobile Services in summer 1994, when the Pullman group took over Atlas. This particular vehicle was only a few days old when it was involved in a collision and had to be returned to Northern Counties for repairs, and note the misspelling of Palmers Green in the destination blind. |
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This 1955-vintage former Western National Bristol LS5G was the transport of a Scout troop
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| Good nostalgic shot of Cowans Sheldons crane erection yard adjacent to St Nicholas Bridge showing yards own derrick crane used to build up new cranes.
Good to see a green bus in Carlisle GW. Wigton |
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Eastern Scottish Seddon Pennine VII ZS676 arrives in Carlisle from Edinburgh
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| Good shot of Seddon about to turn into Lowther St from Devonshire St, Carlisle. GW. Wigton |
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Buffalo of Flitwick gave up the routes it operated commercially in Bedfordshire and Herts. This ex-Nottingham Leyland Olympian was photographed in St Albans. This bus later worked for The Shires ouy of its Aylesbury depot. Eric Waynes kindly corrected my mistake in saying that this was a Leyland Lion
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| This is one of 2 East lancs Olympians Nottingham took for evaluation in the eighties 1984 A 699 eau was passed to Buffalo of Flitwick I
I was a wee sprog but remember Travelling on this bus it was a loud ride louder than the atlanteans of similar unique styling but there was always somthing about these two I had a soft spot for.
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2008-03-06 12:48:36 |
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| I hate to contradict Eric Waynes, but you were right in the first place, this is an Olympian (one of only two delivered to NCT) not a Lion, the first Lions were not built until a couple of years later. The first registered were with Eastern Scottish (in the C---VSF series), Nottingham's first being registered D---TAU. |
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This Volvo is actually a double deck B58 with a typically "styled" E Lancs body. I took this shot in Grantham
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| When new in May 1978, this vehicle had a Caetano single-deck coach body. |
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Lurking in Lincoln bus station is Tiger 454 which started life as an Eastern Scottish motorway coach before being rebodied by East Lancs in 1993. 1335 is an ex-Barrow, ex-Sheffield Omnibus Atlantean
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| LEO735Y (Barrow 105) has now returned back to Barrow, along with 104, and is in the process of being restored to original condition by the Barrow Transport Group. |
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One of the Olympians bought for LT Bexleybus routes, E913KYR in Leicester working for Centrebus
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| This Olympian, and the 27 others delivered to Bexleybus, were in fact leased rather than bought. |
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Midland Red converted this former touring coach into a breakdown vehicle and made a neat job too. It settled with MR (S) when the empire was split and I caught up with it in Rugby
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| This 'former touring coach' is a Plaxton Panorama-bodied Leyland Leopard new to Midland Red in 1966 as its 5825 (GHA 325D). It was converted in 1977 and ran on trade plates until receiving its Q registration in 1988. |
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Nottingham was keen on buying ex-demonstrators. This Scania BR112DH, EMJ560Y entered the fleet once its days as a demo were over
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| The rather unattractive bodywork on this bus was by East Lancs. |
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TPC114X gave up its ECW B51 body for this rather less stylish East Lancs number in 1990. It still has a certain brutal charm operating for MR(N) in Lichfield
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| This Tiger started life in 1982 as London Country TL14, and was mostly based at St Albans and Dorking garages before being acquired by Midland Red North in April 1989. |
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Seen after the morning school run on 4 June 2007, Cedar E941CDS was de-roofed in a low bridge incedent in Bedford later that day. Thanks to Eric Waynes for pointing out that this is a Leyland/DAB Lion
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| this bus was new to Chester but was then sold to Nottingham city transport wh did the dual purpose seting conversion . please free to look at www.josephbeverley.com
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| This vehicle was actually new to Clydeside Scottish as E162 YGB in Quicksilver Livery (Silver and White) as part of a batch of about 5 sister E889 CDS was also from same batch as E160 YGB.......... |
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I photopgraphed this ex-LTE Bexleybus Olympian in Bedford on 20 January 2007. I'd appreciate more information about its current owner
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| Try Paynes of Eato Socan, they used to be based near St Neots B&Q at the tackwood truck base but disappeared after a fire there a year or so back, unsure where they are at present, they also had the ex EY Atlanteans that ran into Bedford |
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This bus might be unique. It is a Castrosua bodied Scania N94, seen in Cambridge on 7/7/2007. The fleetname says "Kings Ferry" but as KF is based in Gillingham, Kent I think it may have changed hands
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| B8 in the Kings Ferry fleet was based in Cambridge for a Home Office contract. |
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| Nope, this is still a Kings Ferry vehicle, but its now for sale. |
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| Did KF not have a contract to Oakington Detention Centre near Cambridge once ? |
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East Kent Nationals 1083 and 1177 demonstrate that poppy red coexisted for some time alongside the EK privatisation livery
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2008-02-18 21:36:29 |
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| Greetings. Ironically the photograph you display of 1083 & 1177 East Kent Nationals sat in the bus station at Canterbury, are the sister buses to my 2 Nationals 1084 & 1178 NFN 84R & EFN 178L. Having seen this photograph, at some point in the future, hopefully both 84R & 178L can recreate this pose in Canterbury.
Keep the good photographs coming
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Carl
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Ayres Red & Sandstone did not grace many of Carlisle's highbridge VRTs as they were transferred to Hampshire Bus in exchange for much older DMS Fleetlines. Here is 1450 when freshly painted
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| 5 highbridge VRT's were graced by this livery, they were 1450, 1451, 1459, 1460 and 1462. This was my favourite livery and it was unfortunately short lived as Stagecoach soon muscled in. Your photo of 1450 shows this livery off superbly. |
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Summer 1999 and I captured WRR396Y on film. An ex-Nottingham Dennis Falcon V in Cedar Coaches' very smart red & cream livery
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| one of the only pair ine existence and the only 2 Dennis Falcons Double deck ever produced new to Nct when an alternative to the Atlantean was sought and was used for many years but only two were purchased and made to there unique requirements and was lated replaced by Northern Counties Volvo Leyland Lions and Volvo B1o Citybuses |
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Cedar Atlantean BTV659T was amongst a number of ex-Nottingham vehicles in the fleet in 1999
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| npot sure what is happening with the upper screen conversion ? these were huge wrap around windows unique styling at the time the nottingham look , what a shame to deface this bus this way looks ok though great photo ! |
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The registration number of 197KFM gives away this Bristol SC4LK as a former Crosville bus. This shot was taken in Sybil Street, Carlisle in 1977. Note the small number private cars.
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| Dennis Milner was an owner driver for a short time, I worked with him at CMS Wigton 1980-85 when he died. GW Wigton |
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Winter 1979, and I snapped this Ford Thames heading into town up Botchergate. I don't know who it was operating for at the time, but I suspect it has long since been scrapped.
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| On making enquiries it is believed to have been owned & operated by by Andy Hogg of Stanwix area and kept at Harker Filling Station. |
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Western Bristol LS6G DT1594 was living on borrowed time when I took this photo with my trusty Instamatic 56X in 1976.
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| Remember this scene well also Guy LUFs standing in this position in 1950s. GW. |
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Western SMT Guy Arab LUF DG1594 on a Sunday service to Castletown
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| Please note this is a Bristol not a Guy as captioned, the same bus as previous image. |
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Another excuse to feature Rawtenstall 18, a superb Leyland Titan which graced the Carlisle Great Fair Parade in 1977
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| I was them owner driver on this day when I was asked to transport the Crlisle Great Fair Committee on the carnival parade. |
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Was this loco involved in the Colwich Junction smash? 86211 City of Milton Keynes, hardly a name to stir the emotions
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| Yeah, this was the loco in the Colwich Junction accident, written off as a result.
No need to be negative about the name of Milton Keynes, it's wonderful living here. |
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Re-registered as XIL1328, Cumbria Coaches Hestair-Duple 425 waits for its next turn on rail-replacement work outside the Lonsdale Cinema
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| Nice pic Mark, when was it taken please? |
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